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Not that it really matters...

Jon Harwood
 

I chose to haul the jumbo Pygmy sea kayak around the buoys at Commencement Bay, leaving the carbon OC1 in the parking lot, because I came for the Blue Ribbon. I wielded a wooden Greenland paddle to match the wooden boat, just to make my martyrdom complete -- and maximize my time on the picturesque Tacoma waters. What happens? Another sea kayak appears! But no! The 14-year old registered it as a "surfski" sea kayak -- unaware that makes it a different class of boat. Pics don't lie! Peyton finished less than a minute ahead, and then didn't appear to collect the covetted Blue Ribbon. I got red.
Does anyone still call it a high performance kayak? Should surfski be on the boat classes instead?
Not that it matters... It's all for fun, and fun for all!

Steve Scoggins
 

Jon,
The hang up with a surfski category...according to the length/width rules designed by SR.....the Epic V5 is a SK, an Epic V8, Think EZE, ACE, are FSK, and the rest are mostly HPK, but all of them are Surfskis.  

Hopefully Todd will give you a blue ribbon.  

Steve

On May 12, 2019, at 7:05 PM, Jon Harwood <jcharwood248@...> wrote:

I chose to haul the jumbo Pygmy sea kayak around the buoys at Commencement Bay, leaving the carbon OC1 in the parking lot, because I came for the Blue Ribbon. I wielded a wooden Greenland paddle to match the wooden boat, just to make my martyrdom complete -- and maximize my time on the picturesque Tacoma waters. What happens? Another sea kayak appears! But no! The 14-year old registered it as a "surfski" sea kayak -- unaware that makes it a different class of boat. Pics don't lie! Peyton finished less than a minute ahead, and then didn't appear to collect the covetted Blue Ribbon. I got red.
Does anyone still call it a high performance kayak? Should surfski be on the boat classes instead?
Not that it matters... It's all for fun, and fun for all!

Todd Silver
 

Jon,
Thanks for the nice note. I’m not sure I understand what should have happened. We really do want to get folks listed in the correct categories as it does matter. As a rower, I have to admit that I know little about the various forward facing craft so rely on folks to self-identify at registration. Sorry if that didn’t happen correctly. 
I’ve copied our Sound Rower  friend and expert on kayaks and surf skis, Shane Baker, as he might be able to answer any questions or clarify. If I need to mail correct ribbons to you or anyone else I’d be happy to do so. 
I was glad the weather cooperated for the race. Thanks for joining us. 
Regards,
Todd 

Sent from Todd’s iPhone

On May 12, 2019, at 7:05 PM, Jon Harwood <jcharwood248@...> wrote:

I chose to haul the jumbo Pygmy sea kayak around the buoys at Commencement Bay, leaving the carbon OC1 in the parking lot, because I came for the Blue Ribbon. I wielded a wooden Greenland paddle to match the wooden boat, just to make my martyrdom complete -- and maximize my time on the picturesque Tacoma waters. What happens? Another sea kayak appears! But no! The 14-year old registered it as a "surfski" sea kayak -- unaware that makes it a different class of boat. Pics don't lie! Peyton finished less than a minute ahead, and then didn't appear to collect the covetted Blue Ribbon. I got red.
Does anyone still call it a high performance kayak? Should surfski be on the boat classes instead?
Not that it matters... It's all for fun, and fun for all!

Kevin Olney
 

If anyone had the time and ambition it would be useful to update the SR kayak classification chart (http://www.soundrowers.org/boat-classes/determining-kayak-classifications/).

I would say 90% of kayaks participating in races these days are surfskis and almost all of those models have been produced since the last update in 2004. Like Steve said, most fall in the HPK category but there are quite a few in FSK and even a couple that qualify as SK (V-5 and V-6). It’s a small enough number that it should be fairly easy to identify just the boats that are borderline.

I wouldn’t mind working on it in the off season but my schedule is pretty full for the next few months.

Sorry to miss the race Saturday. Looks like there was terrific weather and a great turnout!

Kevin O



From: main@SoundRowers.groups.io <main@SoundRowers.groups.io> on behalf of Todd Silver <todd2212@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 8:53:49 PM
To: main@soundrowers.groups.io
Cc: jcharwood248@...; Todd Silver; Shane Baker
Subject: Re: [SoundRowers] Not that it really matters...
 
Jon,
Thanks for the nice note. I’m not sure I understand what should have happened. We really do want to get folks listed in the correct categories as it does matter. As a rower, I have to admit that I know little about the various forward facing craft so rely on folks to self-identify at registration. Sorry if that didn’t happen correctly. 
I’ve copied our Sound Rower  friend and expert on kayaks and surf skis, Shane Baker, as he might be able to answer any questions or clarify. If I need to mail correct ribbons to you or anyone else I’d be happy to do so. 
I was glad the weather cooperated for the race. Thanks for joining us. 
Regards,
Todd 

Sent from Todd’s iPhone

On May 12, 2019, at 7:05 PM, Jon Harwood <jcharwood248@...> wrote:

I chose to haul the jumbo Pygmy sea kayak around the buoys at Commencement Bay, leaving the carbon OC1 in the parking lot, because I came for the Blue Ribbon. I wielded a wooden Greenland paddle to match the wooden boat, just to make my martyrdom complete -- and maximize my time on the picturesque Tacoma waters. What happens? Another sea kayak appears! But no! The 14-year old registered it as a "surfski" sea kayak -- unaware that makes it a different class of boat. Pics don't lie! Peyton finished less than a minute ahead, and then didn't appear to collect the covetted Blue Ribbon. I got red.
Does anyone still call it a high performance kayak? Should surfski be on the boat classes instead?
Not that it matters... It's all for fun, and fun for all!

Todd Silver
 

Kevin,

Yes, it was a fun Commencement Bay race with great conditions and a good turnout.

I’ll leave this classification question up to all of you who face forwards. I’ve added Peter Turcan to the email string.

Onward Facing Backwards,

Todd

 

 

Todd Silver

McCarver Square #201

2115 North 30th Street

Tacoma, WA 98403

Cell 253-370-4931

todd2212@...

 

From: main@SoundRowers.groups.io <main@SoundRowers.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Olney
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 11:44 AM
To: main@SoundRowers.groups.io
Cc: jcharwood248@...; Todd Silver <todd2212@...>; Shane Baker <Kiwibaker@...>
Subject: Re: [SoundRowers] Not that it really matters...

 

If anyone had the time and ambition it would be useful to update the SR kayak classification chart (http://www.soundrowers.org/boat-classes/determining-kayak-classifications/).

 

I would say 90% of kayaks participating in races these days are surfskis and almost all of those models have been produced since the last update in 2004. Like Steve said, most fall in the HPK category but there are quite a few in FSK and even a couple that qualify as SK (V-5 and V-6). It’s a small enough number that it should be fairly easy to identify just the boats that are borderline.

 

I wouldn’t mind working on it in the off season but my schedule is pretty full for the next few months.

 

Sorry to miss the race Saturday. Looks like there was terrific weather and a great turnout!

 

Kevin O

 

 


From: main@SoundRowers.groups.io <main@SoundRowers.groups.io> on behalf of Todd Silver <todd2212@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 8:53:49 PM
To: main@soundrowers.groups.io
Cc: jcharwood248@...; Todd Silver; Shane Baker
Subject: Re: [SoundRowers] Not that it really matters...

 

Jon,

Thanks for the nice note. I’m not sure I understand what should have happened. We really do want to get folks listed in the correct categories as it does matter. As a rower, I have to admit that I know little about the various forward facing craft so rely on folks to self-identify at registration. Sorry if that didn’t happen correctly. 

I’ve copied our Sound Rower  friend and expert on kayaks and surf skis, Shane Baker, as he might be able to answer any questions or clarify. If I need to mail correct ribbons to you or anyone else I’d be happy to do so. 

I was glad the weather cooperated for the race. Thanks for joining us. 

Regards,

Todd 

Sent from Todd’s iPhone


On May 12, 2019, at 7:05 PM, Jon Harwood <jcharwood248@...> wrote:

I chose to haul the jumbo Pygmy sea kayak around the buoys at Commencement Bay, leaving the carbon OC1 in the parking lot, because I came for the Blue Ribbon. I wielded a wooden Greenland paddle to match the wooden boat, just to make my martyrdom complete -- and maximize my time on the picturesque Tacoma waters. What happens? Another sea kayak appears! But no! The 14-year old registered it as a "surfski" sea kayak -- unaware that makes it a different class of boat. Pics don't lie! Peyton finished less than a minute ahead, and then didn't appear to collect the covetted Blue Ribbon. I got red.
Does anyone still call it a high performance kayak? Should surfski be on the boat classes instead?
Not that it matters... It's all for fun, and fun for all!

Peter & Vanessa
 

My understanding is that Tom Cartmill, who did the great work putting this together, retired from the job of maintaining it a few years ago. I cannot remember if someone offered to take up the reigns or not. 


I can see in the list Epic and Think surf skis, including V14 etc. that have come out much later that 2004, so I assume some updating has been going on. No mention of Fenn's though, or Allwave, or others.


The list is getting too long anyway, and should probably be split into two: Surf Skis and Sea Kayaks, and then classified as SK, FSK, HPK. And/or get fancy and have Alphabetic links to the start of each letter.


I guess the question is did someone pick this role up - and if not Kevin do you want to give it a go? Perhaps bring it up to date by the end of 2019?




On May 13, 2019 at 12:29 PM Todd Silver <todd2212@...> wrote:

Kevin,

Yes, it was a fun Commencement Bay race with great conditions and a good turnout.

I’ll leave this classification question up to all of you who face forwards. I’ve added Peter Turcan to the email string.

Onward Facing Backwards,

Todd

 

 

Todd Silver

McCarver Square #201

2115 North 30th Street

Tacoma, WA 98403

Cell 253-370-4931

todd2212@...

 

From: main@SoundRowers.groups.io <main@SoundRowers.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Olney
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 11:44 AM
To: main@SoundRowers.groups.io
Cc: jcharwood248@...; Todd Silver <todd2212@...>; Shane Baker <Kiwibaker@...>
Subject: Re: [SoundRowers] Not that it really matters...

 

If anyone had the time and ambition it would be useful to update the SR kayak classification chart (http://www.soundrowers.org/boat-classes/determining-kayak-classifications/).

 

I would say 90% of kayaks participating in races these days are surfskis and almost all of those models have been produced since the last update in 2004. Like Steve said, most fall in the HPK category but there are quite a few in FSK and even a couple that qualify as SK (V-5 and V-6). It’s a small enough number that it should be fairly easy to identify just the boats that are borderline.

 

I wouldn’t mind working on it in the off season but my schedule is pretty full for the next few months.

 

Sorry to miss the race Saturday. Looks like there was terrific weather and a great turnout!

 

Kevin O

 

 


From: main@SoundRowers.groups.io <main@SoundRowers.groups.io> on behalf of Todd Silver <todd2212@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 8:53:49 PM
To: main@soundrowers.groups.io
Cc: jcharwood248@...; Todd Silver; Shane Baker
Subject: Re: [SoundRowers] Not that it really matters...

 

Jon,

Thanks for the nice note. I’m not sure I understand what should have happened. We really do want to get folks listed in the correct categories as it does matter. As a rower, I have to admit that I know little about the various forward facing craft so rely on folks to self-identify at registration. Sorry if that didn’t happen correctly. 

I’ve copied our Sound Rower  friend and expert on kayaks and surf skis, Shane Baker, as he might be able to answer any questions or clarify. If I need to mail correct ribbons to you or anyone else I’d be happy to do so. 

I was glad the weather cooperated for the race. Thanks for joining us. 

Regards,

Todd 

Sent from Todd’s iPhone


On May 12, 2019, at 7:05 PM, Jon Harwood <jcharwood248@...> wrote:

I chose to haul the jumbo Pygmy sea kayak around the buoys at Commencement Bay, leaving the carbon OC1 in the parking lot, because I came for the Blue Ribbon. I wielded a wooden Greenland paddle to match the wooden boat, just to make my martyrdom complete -- and maximize my time on the picturesque Tacoma waters. What happens? Another sea kayak appears! But no! The 14-year old registered it as a "surfski" sea kayak -- unaware that makes it a different class of boat. Pics don't lie! Peyton finished less than a minute ahead, and then didn't appear to collect the covetted Blue Ribbon. I got red.
Does anyone still call it a high performance kayak? Should surfski be on the boat classes instead?
Not that it matters... It's all for fun, and fun for all!

 



 


 

Larry Bussinger
 

This sounds like something I could do.  Give me a few weeks and I’ll update it.  Anyway to get a digital file that I could modify?

Larry Bussinger

On May 13, 2019, at 11:43 AM, Kevin Olney <olneykc@...> wrote:

If anyone had the time and ambition it would be useful to update the SR kayak classification chart (http://www.soundrowers.org/boat-classes/determining-kayak-classifications/).

I would say 90% of kayaks participating in races these days are surfskis and almost all of those models have been produced since the last update in 2004. Like Steve said, most fall in the HPK category but there are quite a few in FSK and even a couple that qualify as SK (V-5 and V-6). It’s a small enough number that it should be fairly easy to identify just the boats that are borderline.

I wouldn’t mind working on it in the off season but my schedule is pretty full for the next few months.

Sorry to miss the race Saturday. Looks like there was terrific weather and a great turnout!

Kevin O



From: main@SoundRowers.groups.io <main@SoundRowers.groups.io> on behalf of Todd Silver <todd2212@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 8:53:49 PM
To: main@soundrowers.groups.io
Cc: jcharwood248@...; Todd Silver; Shane Baker
Subject: Re: [SoundRowers] Not that it really matters...
 
Jon,
Thanks for the nice note. I’m not sure I understand what should have happened. We really do want to get folks listed in the correct categories as it does matter. As a rower, I have to admit that I know little about the various forward facing craft so rely on folks to self-identify at registration. Sorry if that didn’t happen correctly. 
I’ve copied our Sound Rower  friend and expert on kayaks and surf skis, Shane Baker, as he might be able to answer any questions or clarify. If I need to mail correct ribbons to you or anyone else I’d be happy to do so. 
I was glad the weather cooperated for the race. Thanks for joining us. 
Regards,
Todd 

Sent from Todd’s iPhone

On May 12, 2019, at 7:05 PM, Jon Harwood <jcharwood248@...> wrote:

I chose to haul the jumbo Pygmy sea kayak around the buoys at Commencement Bay, leaving the carbon OC1 in the parking lot, because I came for the Blue Ribbon. I wielded a wooden Greenland paddle to match the wooden boat, just to make my martyrdom complete -- and maximize my time on the picturesque Tacoma waters. What happens? Another sea kayak appears! But no! The 14-year old registered it as a "surfski" sea kayak -- unaware that makes it a different class of boat. Pics don't lie! Peyton finished less than a minute ahead, and then didn't appear to collect the covetted Blue Ribbon. I got red.
Does anyone still call it a high performance kayak? Should surfski be on the boat classes instead?
Not that it matters... It's all for fun, and fun for all!