Race fees

Steve Bennett

1. No $15 is not too high. It represents a fee that
is comensurate with cost. It reduces by $3 the rate
we have charged non-members in the past.($7
members;$10 non-members) That $3, which has
contributed to the growth of our treasury will no
longer be coming come back to us. That should be

2. By the same logic, non-member kids will be paying
nearly half what members pay; and we lose the other $3
as well. I suggest a youth membership fee of $15 and
no discount for race fees.

3. Has anyone looked into group use fees for the

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Re: Race fees

Michael Lampi <lampi@...>

Hi Steve,

I appreciate your thoughts on this matter.

1. How does charging $15 per non-member reduce the rate we
have charged members in the past? On Saturday non-members
will be paying $15 for the race fee to Sound Rowers, plus
$5 parking to the State Parks. This adds up to $20 that a
non-member will pay to be in the race.

2. Non-member kids will have a discount of $3 off the $15
non-member race fee. This brings the race fee cost to $12.
$8 goes to insurance, $4 goes to pay for race expenses.
We'll probably end up subsidizing the kid a little for
his food and award, but if we have enough adults entering
this should not be a problem.

By the same token, a Sound Rowers junior member will be
paying only $4. The insurance FOR THE YEAR(!) is included
in his Sound Rowers membership, so the entire $4 goes to
paying race expenses. This is the same as for the non-member.

A non-Sound Rowers MRA junior member pays $7. We actually
make $7 from this junior member as there are no additional
insurance costs associated with this person.

3. I asked the ranger at the park back in December about
this. At that time he said every vehicle has to pay the
parking fee and there was no group rate. I'll check again
today to make sure the policy has not changed.

Best regards,

Michael Lampi (206) 774-5971
Open Water Cycling, Inc. (206) 331-3980 FAX
2667 170th Avenue SE lampi@...
Bellevue, WA 98008

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Bennett [mailto:bennett_seattle@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 5:41 PM
To: SoundRowers@...
Subject: [SoundRowers] Race fees

1. No $15 is not too high. It represents a fee that
is comensurate with cost. It reduces by $3 the rate
we have charged non-members in the past.($7
members;$10 non-members) That $3, which has
contributed to the growth of our treasury will no
longer be coming come back to us. That should be

2. By the same logic, non-member kids will be paying
nearly half what members pay; and we lose the other $3
as well. I suggest a youth membership fee of $15 and
no discount for race fees.

3. Has anyone looked into group use fees for the

soundrowers website updates

Traci Cole <watersprite@...>

There have been several updates to the website this week, and of
particular note are updates to the Sammamish race - the information
page, map, and waiver form. Please use the refresh button on your
browser to make sure you're getting the latest postings!


Late breaking Lake Sammamish News

Michael Lampi <lampi@...>

We got a $1 per car discount voucher plan.

I'll have someone distributing vouchers for people parking at the
registration area. THey will cost only $4 per car instead of $5.

See you tomorrow!


Poll results for SoundRowers


The following SoundRowers poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:

POLL QUESTION: I'd like a sanity check. Our insurance
costs are $8 for each non-member. Is $15
per person too high a price to charge
non-members for the Lake Sammamish Sound
Rowers race?

- Yes, without question, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Yes, if you add the $5 State Park fees, 0 votes, 0.00%
- No, because it includes lunch, 10 votes, 76.92%
- Not at all, you should charge more!, 3 votes, 23.08%

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Race fees & dues

Reivers Dustin

Steve B. was being very sensible in presenting baseline costs. And I
see that the poll shows support for increased race fees. (Although
to my shame, I didn't get my vote in.) Maybe I can make up for it
now with this post.

Sound Rowers (SR) has greater stature than I realized. Over my 10-12
years of racing, I've just accepted the presence. However, there are
few races anywhere with SR's diversity of venues and participants.
Be of stout heart, officers and volunteers. The club should have
plenty of financial resources properly assessed to members and race
participants. (By the way, does SR have the IRS 503c tax
classification allowing for charitable contributions?)

SR has good value to offer. And, no matter how small the fee there
will be complaints and special circumstances. We tried in B'ham to
get a race club to catch on, but couldn't get the critical mass. My
highest regards to the officers and support volunteers in SR.

A very happy member,

SRA looking for volunteers on 4/17

Michael Lampi <lampi@...>

The Sammamish Rowing Association is looking for volunteers to help
with one of their events. Here is the message from Tristine Glick, the
SRA director:

I wanted to let you know that SRA is hosting a Junior Scrimmage on
April 17th between Oakland Strokes, Greenlake and SRA. I was
wondering if there may be a possibility of any Sound Rowers coming out
to help volunteer? We have numerous volunteer opportunities but we
are specifically looking for a few additional launches. Please let me
know if you think the Sound Rowers may be able to help!

Tristine's e-mail address is director@... and her phone
number at SRA Rowing is (425) 653-2583.

This is the weekend prior to the Sound Rowers American Lake Classic race.

Perhaps we could advertise our races to these folks at the same time.


Carbon Wingblade for sale

Sean Clancy <sjclancy@...>

2004 Simon River Sports (SRS) 3 piece Carbon Wingblade.

Near-mint condition.  Retails for $400, selling for $200...Only selling it because I'm not

racing this year.  Call Sean at 206 293 1099 (Issaquah area). I can meet anywhere between Issaquah and Everett.


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nice article from MRA

Laura Jackson

Check out the link on

Sound Rowers is the featured club in the latest Masters Rowing Assoc. newsletter!

Thanks for all the Help!

Michael Lampi <lampi@...>

I wish to thank Susan Dandridge, Paul Rollinger, Deb Natelson, Mohsen
Banan, Martine Kin, Marty Myers, R. McDonald, Jackie T-R, the
Sammamish Rowing Association, Park Ranger Heath Yates, Traci Cole, Dan
Henderson and everyone else that I am sure to have forgotten who
helped make last weekend's Lake Sammamish race a success.

Each one of you was marvelous in your support of the event and in
putting up with me as the race director. I could not have asked for
better help.

The whole thing felt just short of a Chinese fire drill, if I might
use that old vaudeville reference. If not for the help of the
volunteers it could have been much less "smooth". :-)

If I continue with directing the event next year there are several
things I would change to improve the organization:

#1 - Make sure each racer knows that they are on an open course. This
is already spelled out in the Sound Rowers sign up sheet, but who
reads that? This must be emphasized in the pre-race meetings.

#2 - Check off a list of the issued numbers to make it easier to see
who was still out on the course.

#3 - Change the web page to mention that there are parking vouchers
available. This was a last minute finding and devoted a volunteer full
time distributing vouchers and flagging down incoming racers to tell
them about it. (This has already been done.)

#4 - Use the air horn for the starting signals. The bell is fine for
the finishes, but perhaps not loud enough to reach the furthest
racers. I guess the bell would be OK if it were used from the end of
one of the middle docks. You tell me!

#5 - Order fewer pizzas, muffins and M&M's; no bagels, pretzels, fish
crackers, Skittles, G.S. cookies.

#6 - Give the club camera to someone (not piloting) in a chase boat
for some on the water shots.

#7 - Depending on the water level (this year was really low) try to
scrounge up some low floating platforms for the rowers. Either that,
or maybe switch to the beach area, though that would be a problem to
coordinate with the chase boats and the swim area ropes would have to
be removed (an hour long task, according to the rangers). We'll have
to see if the replacement floating docks to be installed this summer
will work better.

The timing worked out pretty well. I had the short race start
*exactly* one hour after the long, so the math was easy. Having the
boat numbers start from either end of the spectrum made it easy to
determine which course they were on. We only needed 3 people to do it:
a spotter, a timer and a recorder. I was there to transcribe it to the
poster boards so everyone could see the results later - and to give to
Jeff to put on the web.

So, if anyone has any other comments to make about the race or
suggestions as how to improve it, I'm all ears.

Thanks again!

Michael Lampi

More Lake Sammamish photos posted

Michael Lampi <lampi@...>

R. McDonald's photos from the Lake Sammamish race are now available
from the Sound Rowers Photography page.


--Michael Lampi

Carpool to Lake Whatcom


Looking to share the ride with someone. Prefer not to drive, but if I
have to, I have a car with a two-kayak rack on it. I am in West Seattle.


North Lake Tahoe Regatta 2005 entry forms posted

Michael Lampi <lampi@...>

In case anyone is interested, the entry forms for the North Lake Tahoe
regatta have been put in the "Files" section.

The date for the regatta is Saturday, June 11th.


--Michael Lampi

P.S. Boy, are their entry fees expensive compared to ours!

another race opportunity

Laura Jackson

For those looking for ski-to-sea preparation, on May 14, the Corvallis Kiwanis is sponsoring a 10/20 miler on the Willamette. 20 miler starts in Peoria, 10 in Corvallis, finish in Albany. More info at


Reivers Dustin

A guy named Chuck from VA is asking me if Zack Greer has been spotted
going fast on a kayak in the Seattle area.

If you know of Zack, ask him to email:



Old Towne Tripper

Glenn/Cheryl ROGERS

I will be competing in an adventure race where the boat provided will be old towne tripper.  Unfortunately (or fortunately) I do not have one to practice with.  Specifically I need to test my portage wheels and some other gear.  Does anybody have this type of boat that I could practice strapping some gear and wheels on it?  I will come to you.



Glenn Rogers

Gig Harbor

Fairhaven Tuesday Evening Rows

zeke_hoskin <zeke@...>

Fairhaven Rowers is trying to arrange regular Tuesday and Thursday
evening rows. I'm in charge of May & June except June 7. Leave the
dock at Fairhaven Boatworks 7PM, go an hour or an hour and a half. The
first two rows had good weather but nobody else turned up. Anybody who
wants rowing company in Bellingham, this is your chance . . .
Zeke Hoskin

Transport available

Michael Lampi <lampi@...>

Next week Thursday (June 2) I'll be driving from the Seattle area
down the I-5 corridor to Long Beach, CA. On the roof of my car is
space for a kayak or kayak-like boat, and I have a 2" trailer hitch
capable of towing a light trailer.

Conversely, at the end of the following week I'll be returning to
the Seattle area, though the trailer hitch will be occupied from
Palo Alto to Corvallis.

If anyone has something they need transported along the way in that
timeframe, please contact me ASAP. Perhaps we can work something

--Michael Lampi

wanted: wing blade paddle

scole <scole@...>

looking for a lightweight wind blade for use in adv. racing. preferrably 3
piece (minimum 2) to allow for easy transport.

i own a plastic one and looking to upgrade to a fiberglass (or second choice

any leads appreciated.


Tide and Currents on Web?

zeke_hoskin <zeke@...>

Is there a useful website to get the expected currents around Blake
Island on June 18? I keep finding links to one that just gives a
graph of current speed vs time at one point - without direction, about
as useful as a chocolate oarlock.

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