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aldenrower@... for pictures.

Yahoo groups ate my previous message.

My personal web server (snorlax.lampi.org), which hosts the photos I
took over the past couple of years of Sound Rowers events, had a
catastrophic disk failure early this week. During the recovery process
I managed to nuke the web site data as well. Don't ask. :-(

It is now back online, and everything prior to June 30, 2003 should
pretty much be as it was. Just about everything after that date should
be OK, too, though I know a couple of my boating reports are AWOL.

If anyone happens to notice anything awry please tell me.

Thanks!

--Michael Lampi

This Saturday is the first Sound Rowers race of 2004.

As official club photographer I'd like to poll members to see if there
is much interest in getting movie clips from the race in addition to
whatever photographs I can take.

Samples of photos and movies taken last Sunday under non-racing
conditions can be found at

http://snorlax.lampi.org/images/20040215/INDEX.HTM

A somewhat faster link directly to a movie taken in rough conditions
can be seen at

http://www.openwatercycling.com/vidphotos/PICT0722.MOV

A short movie of a rower is here

http://www.openwatercycling.com/vidphotos/PICT0697.MOV

I'll see what I can do to minimize the collection of spray on the
lens.

Thanks!

Michael Lampi

--- In SoundRowers@..., "Michael Lampi" <lampi@m...> wrote:
<[...]

A short movie of a rower is here

http://www.openwatercycling.com/vidphotos/PICT0697.MOV

I'll see what I can do to minimize the collection of spray on the
lens.

Thanks!

Michael Lampi

My mistake. That movie is the *long* 45MB movie!

Oops!

The short (3.75MB) movie is here:

http://www.openwatercycling.com/vidphotos/PICT0646.MOV

--Michael Lampi

Micheal,

These are wonderful movies and photo's. But the movies are download
hell. I have broadband (cable modem) and it takes a long time to
load. Is there a better way to view them? In the past I've been
able to right click and "save-as" in order to bypass application load
up time.

There are times when it's really worth it. Last year's LaConner race
was a ripper that perhaps the survivors would like to re-visit. On
the other hand, maybe those who's honor did not survive would just as
soon forget that race.

I guess perhaps categorizing or naming the movies is important. Are
there any memory allocation considerations?

Lastly, I hope a few others in the group appreciate what you are
offering. No one else can physically do this (hands are busy) and
few of us have the equipment to do it. You get my vote for "cool guy
of the club" award.

reivers

--- In SoundRowers@..., "Reivers" <reivers@c...> wrote:

Micheal,

These are wonderful movies and photo's. But the movies are

download

hell. I have broadband (cable modem) and it takes a long time to
load. Is there a better way to view them? In the past I've been
able to right click and "save-as" in order to bypass application

load

up time.

There are times when it's really worth it. Last year's LaConner

race

was a ripper that perhaps the survivors would like to re-visit. On
the other hand, maybe those who's honor did not survive would just

as

soon forget that race.

I guess perhaps categorizing or naming the movies is important.

Are

there any memory allocation considerations?

Lastly, I hope a few others in the group appreciate what you are
offering. No one else can physically do this (hands are busy) and
few of us have the equipment to do it. You get my vote for "cool

guy

of the club" award.

reivers

Hi Reivers,

I'll try to answer your questions in the order they were asked.

1. When trying to download some of the movies during the day I see
about 600 to 800 Kbps transfer rates over my DSL using FTP,
which is about half my DSL bandwidth. I would guess you should
see about the same rate over your cable modem, if it is anything
like my cable modem.

2. The camera saves these movies in Apple's Quicktime format. So
far I have minimal utilities for editing or cleaning up these
movies. This will probably change over time.

Still, right now these movies can be accessed by either clicking
on the thumbnail link, or by right clicking on the link which
should bring up a menu. Clicking on the "save link target as"
(in Mozilla/Netscape) or "save target as" (MSIE) menu item
should let you do what you want with respect to starting the
download without requiring the Quicktime viewer application to
be running.

Note that this is somewhat different from the way you were
loading the pictures.

3. I agree. Some things are best forgotten, and others are made
better by the retelling. :-)

4. You might be right in that people might prefer movies to be
accessed via a different web page or set of web pages than
the photo page. I thought it might be better to organize
them chronologically, and I can't think of a reason not to
continue to this way.

Still, having another page or set of pages with direct
links to the movies with appropriate captions, of course,
is certainly something that could be done.

5. Right now the web server is limited to about 1 gigabyte of
storage. The clips I've placed on the openwatercycling.com
site range in size from 7.5MB to 44.5MB. The wavy movie is
about 14MB.

Personally, I think a lot of editing could be done to make
any of these and future movies retain the interesting parts
and remove the dull parts. This would help reduce the load.

Also, I do have access to nearly unlimited space on another
web server, snorlax.lampi.org. The only problem there is the
network bandwidth is limited to 384Kbps. This is where all
my Sound Rowers photos are currently stores.

6. Thanks! I'm not sure I'll be setting any records this year,
however. It is too much fun snapping photos and taking movies.
:-)

Best regards,

Michael Lampi

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the SoundRowers
group.

File : /PICT0722_drdivx.avi
Uploaded by : guru1957 <lampi@...>
Description : Movie - A little rough - use DivX player to view

You can access this file at the URL

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoundRowers/files/PICT0722_drdivx.avi

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit

http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

guru1957 <lampi@...>

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the SoundRowers
group.

File : /PICT0712_drdivx.avi
Uploaded by : guru1957 <lampi@...>
Description : Movie: Nearing the 520 bridge - use DivX player to view

You can access this file at the URL

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoundRowers/files/PICT0712_drdivx.avi

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit

http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

guru1957 <lampi@...>

What a beautiful, crisp day. I think we all paddled/rowed twice as
much getting back from the turn mark as we did on the way out. And
of course I really mucked up reading the currents on the way back in
the slough.

Blessings: clear skies, flat conditions, good company, great
munchies after.
Curses: parking tickets ( you get nailed on weekends now? I bet some
local made a phone call...) It was a leeetle bit cold...downright
nippley.

I hear results are up on Sound Rower home page. going to go see.
Maybe my bouyant mood is because I haven't seen results yet, hehe.

rd

The "official" La Conner photos are now up on the Sound Rowers web
site. I tell ya, some of you folks are quite photogenic!

After talking with more club members, I was rather surprised to find
out how many folks do not have broadband Internet access. It is a good
thing that I've been resizing the images and thumbnails to reduce the
amount of data being transferred over the net.

Still, this also means that lots of club members are missing out on
the opportunity to see themselves in "the big picture".

I'm happy to accommodate people who are interested in the original 5
megapixel photos (roughly 2.5 to 3.5 MB in size) to e-mail one or two
to them. However, if people would like to have all the full sized
photos for a given race it would require them to be on a CD-ROM. In
addition, if you have a DVD player it might be possible to play this
CD-ROM on your TV. The quality would suffer tremendously compared to a
PC monitor, unless you had HDTV, but it would be another way of
showing friends and family your exploits.

There would be some cost involved, but it could be done.

Is there any interest in getting the race photos on CD-ROM?

--Michael Lampi

Greetings -
My parents were rather peeved when they found out that a lot of folks got parking tickets, as they were told that guests at Maple Hall events were not supposed to have to pay parking. My mom was going to complain to the City, and the parking ticket lady said that if you got a ticket, to call the city and tell them you were at a Maple Hall function and had been told by the host that you didnt need to pay for parking. The bad news is that next year, we'll probably have to pay.

Laura Jackson

From: SoundRowers@...
Reply-To: SoundRowers@...
To: SoundRowers@...
Subject: [SoundRowers] Digest Number 34
Date: 24 Feb 2004 13:43:50 -0000


There are 2 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. LaConner
From: "Reivers" <reivers@...>
2. La Conner (and future) Photos
From: "Michael Lampi" <lampi@...>


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:43:25 -0000
From: "Reivers" <reivers@...>
Subject: LaConner

What a beautiful, crisp day. I think we all paddled/rowed twice as
much getting back from the turn mark as we did on the way out. And
of course I really mucked up reading the currents on the way back in
the slough.

Blessings: clear skies, flat conditions, good company, great
munchies after.
Curses: parking tickets ( you get nailed on weekends now? I bet some
local made a phone call...) It was a leeetle bit cold...downright
nippley.

I hear results are up on Sound Rower home page. going to go see.
Maybe my bouyant mood is because I haven't seen results yet, hehe.

rd



________________________________________________________________________
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 21:24:30 -0000
From: "Michael Lampi" <lampi@...>
Subject: La Conner (and future) Photos

The "official" La Conner photos are now up on the Sound Rowers web
site. I tell ya, some of you folks are quite photogenic!

After talking with more club members, I was rather surprised to find
out how many folks do not have broadband Internet access. It is a good
thing that I've been resizing the images and thumbnails to reduce the
amount of data being transferred over the net.

Still, this also means that lots of club members are missing out on
the opportunity to see themselves in "the big picture".

I'm happy to accommodate people who are interested in the original 5
megapixel photos (roughly 2.5 to 3.5 MB in size) to e-mail one or two
to them. However, if people would like to have all the full sized
photos for a given race it would require them to be on a CD-ROM. In
addition, if you have a DVD player it might be possible to play this
CD-ROM on your TV. The quality would suffer tremendously compared to a
PC monitor, unless you had HDTV, but it would be another way of
showing friends and family your exploits.

There would be some cost involved, but it could be done.

Is there any interest in getting the race photos on CD-ROM?

--Michael Lampi



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--- In SoundRowers@..., "Laura Jackson" <kekbeka@h...> wrote:

Greetings -
My parents were rather peeved when they found out that a lot of

folks got

parking tickets, as they were told that guests at Maple Hall events

were not

supposed to have to pay parking. My mom was going to complain to

the City,

and the parking ticket lady said that if you got a ticket, to call

the city

and tell them you were at a Maple Hall function and had been told by

the

host that you didnt need to pay for parking. The bad news is that

next year,

we'll probably have to pay.

Laura Jackson

Does this mean that La Conner will issue refunds to those of us who
actually forked over the $3 to park?

;-)

--Michael Lampi

Nice article in the Skagit Valley Herald on the LaConner race...
easily found by going to www.row2k.com and looking at the Feb. 29th "In The News" section.

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19.5' overall
19'' waterline beam. 21'' beam on deck.
Uses Oarmaster II: all aliminum, wing rigger, mahogony seat.
Very good condition.
Asking $1200.

--- In SoundRowers@..., "Michael Lampi" <lampi@m...> wrote:

The "official" La Conner photos are now up on the Sound Rowers web
site. I tell ya, some of you folks are quite photogenic!

After talking with more club members, I was rather surprised to find
out how many folks do not have broadband Internet access. It is a good
thing that I've been resizing the images and thumbnails to reduce the
amount of data being transferred over the net.

[...]

I modified the 2004 La Conner album to the "Exhibits Plus" format.
This is the same format that is being used for Beverly's photos,
or anyone else who wants to contribute photos to the Sound Rowers
web site. The application used to generate the album is called
JAlbum, which is a marvelous piece of free software available on
the 'net.

This should help folks with slower net access, as well as make it
a bit easier for everyone to see beforehand if a given photo is
what they want to see.

Comments pro/con/alternative are solicited.

--Michael Lampi

Great post on the Yahoo surfski group:

clyde hedlund writes:

The reason why the wing works so well is because, if
you let it carve out its own path, it will always find
"still water" (or water that hasn't started to move
backwards). Forget about all that Bernoulli Effect.
The wing is a simple lever that hunts and seeks an
effective fulcrum, which is the water, especially
"still water." Nothing complicated - just plain old
down to earth 5th grade physics. aloja, clyde

Clyde,

I usually agree with you. But you really picked on the wrong dog this
time!

Wings are more efficient than conventional paddles BECAUSE of the lift
they create. And it's a LOT more than Bernoulli (Daniel Bernoulli is
generally credited with the formula that exchanges potential/pressure
energy of a flow with kinetic/velocity energy). Actually, NOONE has
yet published what happens here, because even incredibly smart
scientists don't "get it" yet. But there are some folks who are
figuring this out. One place is Ken Young (unfortunately killed a
couple of years ago in a car accident).

http://www.phys.washington.edu/~wilkes/post/temp/phys208/scull.lift.ht
ml

The SAME thing happens to wing paddles (but not cenventioanls). I
have a WHOLE dissertation on this topic, and wings are more efficient
than conventionals for the same reason that static aerodynamics cannot
explain why bumble bees can fly...

Al

--
Al Bowers Chief of Aerodynamics NASA Dryden Flight Research Center
al.bowers@n...
"It is my belief that flight is possible." -Wilbur Wright, 03 Sep 1900

Greetings
Just a reminder that this 6 mile race on the Lewis River out of Pekin
Ferry Park is still on for Saturday, March 27, 2004. Race start time
10:00. Race fee is $10 which includes lunch. There is a $3 parking
fee per car (so car-pooling would be good!).
However, since last year USACK (which insures the race) has raised
their fee rate for "day of race insurance" from $5 to $15. So if you
are not a USACK member, the race will cost you $25.
Please don't shoot the messenger!
Hope to see lots of you there!
Charlene
For more information:
Race Director: Bob Goodman bygoodman@...

Pardon my ignorance...

This is a cross post from PDX Seakayaker. The Phantom used to be mine, and was in excellent condition when I last saw it.

Laura J.

From: "Mattson, Timothy G" <timothy.g.mattson@...>

I have to clean out my garage and hence, I need to get rid of some
wonderful kayaks. I have the following kayaks for sale:

Necky Phantom: in almost new condition - $1500

Seda Glider, Kevlar with rudder, clear coat (i.e. no gelcoat) to reduce
weight: heavily used but in good condition: $1000

Seda Tango, double kayak, fiber glass: In almost new condition, $2000

All three kayaks are stored indoors in Olympia Washington. Get in touch
with my by email (timothy.g.mattson@...) if you are interested.

If you don't know these boats, let me say a few words about them.

The Necky Phantom is an advanced racing boat for highly skilled paddlers
only. I love it, but the reality of my life these days is that I won't
be racing often enough to justify owning a pure speed boat. If you want
to race and want to compete with the surf skis using a boat you can
roll, this is the kayak for you. Its made of Kevlar and carbon fiber and
is amazingly light. It has a stern mounted rudder. The boat is
incredibly tippy and takes getting used to, but my god, its fast!!!!
Just for the record, the Phantom is worth far more than $1500, but I got
a good price on so I'm going to pass the bargain on to the community (as
long as it goes to a good home).

The Seda Glider is my favorite all around sea kayak. I love this boat
and will definitely shed tears as I watch it go away. Its 19 feet long
and very fast. I've had great success racing with this boat. With its
high volume, however, you can carry a huge amount of gear. This cruiser
is wonderful for long trips in the San Juans. The only downside is this
boat is not a good rough water boat. Its fine in tide races, deception
pass currents, and anything I've seen in the Puget sound, but its not
appropriate for the surf zone. And its not a high wind boat. It does
OK up to 25 knot winds (with a rudder to compensate for weather
cocking), but for really screaming winds over 30 knots, you'd find this
boat really hard to spin around. But then again, 99.9% of us have no
business paddling in such high winds so this probably isn't a big deal.
Finally, I am fat and find this boat roomy and comfortable for my 230
pound, flabby frame.

The Seda Tango is a great double kayak. At 21 feet long and 29 inches
wide, its very fast. It has done very well on the Puget sound racing
circuit. It has plenty of storage space as well so it would be good for
the kayak camping couple. One thing I adore with this boat is its
awesome secondary stability. I can lay this thing over on its side and
practically spin it on its axis (something my paddling partners don't
appreciate). It rolls nicely with a slow motion layback roll. This is
a double kayak for serious paddlers who don't want to compromise
paddling performance when moving from singles to doubles.

--Tim

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